Capitalism

Oct '09 21 Wed 6:00 PM
Location

356 W 44th St
btw 8/9 Aves (event is on second floor)
New York, NY 10036
(866) 322-6102

Estimated attendance
 69  people attended.
4.50 4.5013 (13 ratings)

Who organized?
John

Announcing an extremely topical evening - a discussion and evaluation of capitalism. Criticism is popping up everywhere - from the cover of Newsweek to Michael Moore's new film. Is capitalism passe? Is socialism now cool?


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In many ways our economy already resembles a European one. As boomers age and spending grows, we will become even more French. - Newsweek


Agenda

  • 6 PM: Member Social
  • 7 PM: Welcome
  • 7:15 PM: Discussion Round I
  • 8:15 PM: Discussion Round II
  • 9:15 PM: Discussion Round III
  • 10 PM: Late-Night Social






The bars were sponsored by liquor companies, the kitchen by Lufthansa. One room had marble walls, another, cashmere. Hundreds of guests plucked hors d'oeuvres from Plexiglas trays, but when I reached for a passing tray of pigs in blankets, the waitress tried to stop me. "These are for Michael," she said...

It's been observed that Moore, crusading leftist and now explicit anti-capitalist, has made piles of money from his movies. In a question-and-answer session after Monday night's screening, an audience member asked Moore if he wouldn't concede that U.S. capitalism was better than Soviet Communism. Moore replied that the question was "bullsh--" and refused to answer directly, saying that his movie was not about that but about "democracy versus greed." The hazard of being a professional polemicist, I suppose, is the risk of boxing oneself into intellectual corners. He couldn't tenably claim that the Soviet system was good for its people, but if he conceded that capitalism had a few things going for it he would have undercut the revolutionary rhetoric that is his bread and butter...

The fashionably dressed audience that filled Lincoln Center's Alice Tully Hall... burst into spontaneous applause four times during the movie, and gave Moore a standing ovation. While several of the film's suffering blue-collar subjects were Republican, in a post-screening show of hands, only three audience members identified as such. Moore introduced the Hackers of Peoria, who were live in the balcony, and the hall of New York liberals gave them a round of applause too...

The film tries to show that capitalism brought about the housing crisis, the recession, decaying cities and unemployment, and the bailout of financial firms at the expense of the middle class. At the end, Moore exhorts the audience to help him defeat the system, saying "please, speed it up." - Forbes


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  • Steve
    Posted Oct 19, 2009 11:14 AM
    And to the idea that the lobbying and special treatment is somehow bad, and we should alter it, how can we if we don't have a squabble for resources ? Do you see opportunities, and firms competing for them ? I see immense risk-aversion and fear. The system can try (through tax cuts etc.) but can't really *make* that risk-aversion alter. As for the system, it's always self-serving. When growth slows down, we become more aware of it. It's a constant; it's our awareness that changes.
  • Steve
    Posted Oct 19, 2009 11:07 AM
    Hi Mike, two things : 1) our system *is* working. Lobbyists are doing their job, capital is flowing freely to where the best returns can be made (bailouts, backroom deals). 2) China is hardly an example of capitalism at work. If you have more than one child, your colleagues get no bonuses (no joke). How's that for interference to market forces ? It's a long stretch to argue China's growth is somehow due to capitalism working better.
  • Mark
    Posted Oct 18, 2009 8:06 PM
    David,..The Chinese comment was something similiar to an idea I had and it was just interesting to read that statement. Regarding the Austrian School and Ms. Rand, i must admit to my ignorance, but I will look into it. Also I don't understand your comments about Mr Smith,...not capitalist???
  • Mark
    Posted Oct 18, 2009 8:00 PM
    Mike, I agree with what you wrote, additionally their corporate tax structure ( or significant lack thereof) is also favorable to business.
  • mike t
    Posted Oct 18, 2009 11:39 AM
    Mark, By a purer form of Capitalism, I mean China lacks most US type regulations on business. That allows the entrepreneurial, job creating, wealth creating spirit of it's people to flourish. Some regulation is desirable. Here, we drive whole industries overseas, and destroy export driven companies with our regulations, going back 40 years. China's move to Capitalism did in 15 years what their Great Leap Forward (and our lurch to Socialism) failed/will fail to do. Improve living standards.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Oct 17, 2009 7:45 PM
    Mark - not Adam Smith as there are significant reasons why his ethics and politics were incorrect and conservative not capitalist or as it was always known before, classical liberalism. The Austrian school is the scientific layout of economics - which is as immutable as all laws of physical science - contained in the vo Mises and Rothbard treatises. While the only philosophical defence of capitalism ever published is that by Ayn Rand - "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Oct 17, 2009 7:24 PM
    Souls being dead refers to commenst by Chinese intellectuals that have in the past used this term stress that creative minds cannot function in an environment of oppression as China is. It does not refer to a soul as religions believe exists.
  • Mark
    Posted Oct 17, 2009 1:46 PM
    Two Questions and one comment,......1. to David-Joe,..... your comment about Chinese souls being dead, Where did you hear this? 2. Mike T.,..... China as a purer form of capitalism? What do you mean? Steve, (Aussie Man) Kicking back and having a drink sounds berry, berry, good to me,..lol
  • David-Joe
    Posted Oct 16, 2009 10:37 PM
    There is no capitalism in China - it has evolved into fascism - business is a mechanism and is utilized. Capitalism rests on the same metaphysics and epistimology as any science and is only possible where the right of the individual to their life is recognized. Chinese intellectuals describe that they are stymied because their souls are dead. Capitalism is only where justice resides and is the stated reason for war of militant Islam so there can be no detente - it really is a fight to the death.
  • mike t
    Posted Oct 16, 2009 10:08 PM
    Michael Moore makes millions speaking - impossible in a socialist country. I'd like to see him waive his fees. His is a classic practitioner of the big lie theory - wrap truths around a big lie and repeat it. His documentaries are anything but. Countries that lean socialist stagnate at best, starve at worst. Red China raised 100s of millions of citizens' living standards adopting a purer form of Capitalism than the US in 1 generation. Govt interference accounts for much of our current problems.
  • Jonathan
    Posted Oct 14, 2009 9:11 AM
    no show - see about page
    democracy to anarchy, monarchy to tranny, aristocracy to oligarchy....and all that dervies,.... all pernicious to the extent that they are so easily corrupted,,... uniting them, creating a trilateral government,seems to be the way out apparently...or does it condemn us all to a vicious three headed dog, guarding the wealth of the wealthy, instead of its true masters?.
  • Steve
    Posted Oct 13, 2009 7:31 PM
    We could do that. Or we could relax, have a drink and muse about things we may never be able to control.
  • Mark
    Posted Oct 11, 2009 9:49 PM
    May I also suggest some people remind themselves of the works of Adam Smith and others,.....you can also check Wikipedia for him and under the title of Classical Economics
  • Steve
    Posted Oct 7, 2009 10:36 AM
    Yes, capitalism gives us choices. And as a people, we choose to be lazy. We're not taking back anything because we're not marching, we're not electing new officials and we're not demanding that corrupt individuals be jailed. If we were being invaded, we wouldn't be wasting time by talking about how the invaders were unethical, we'd (hopefully) be fighting them off. US capitalism is working well. The sad thing is it lacks the competition for resources that's necessary for its survival.
  • Posted Oct 5, 2009 7:37 AM
    Former Member
    Capitalism gives us choices. But we have gone wrong with issues of transparency and over-leveraged borrowers. The cause is a political system which works only in crisis based on the limited choice of a two-party system. Ralph Nader had it right.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Oct 1, 2009 12:12 AM
    Collectivism in all its forms, such as socialism, facism or welfare statism, is evil. It requires force and rejects the individual. Someone like Michael Moore is the worst kind of character posssible - dishonest and disingenuous.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Oct 1, 2009 12:06 AM
    The motto of New Hamshire is "Live Free Or Die" and that expresses capitalism and the ethic upon which the socio-economic fabric of the United States was founded. I am a radical capitalist - laissez faire, laissez passer - let me be and let me go, capitalism as a conviction and not expediency. Capitalism is the only political system that rests upon reason and reality, rejects force and ensures the RIGHT of the individual to his or her life.

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