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The Philosophy of Feminism

Nov '09 18 Wed 6:00 PM
Location
Irish Rogue

356 W 44th St
btw 8/9 Aves (event is on second floor)
New York, NY 10036
(866) 322-6102

Estimated attendance
 80  people attended.
4.50 4.5017 (17 ratings)

Who organized?
Daniel,  John,  and Tori


"If a woman has false ideas, if she is not very intelligent, clear-sighted, or courageous, a man does not hold her responsible: she is the victim, he thinks—and often with reason—of her situation. He dreams of what she might have been, of what she perhaps will be: she can be credited with any possibilities, because she is nothing in particular. This vacancy is what makes the lover weary of her quickly; but it is the source of the mystery, the charm, that seduces him and makes him inclined to feel an easy affection in the first place." - Simone de Beauvoir, "The Second Sex"


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We are back at Irish Rogue, conveniently located in the Theater District. We have the entire second floor (stairs in the back) for this private event.

Agenda

  • 6 PM: Member Social
  • 7 PM: Welcome
  • 7:15 PM: Discussion Round I
  • 8:15 PM: Discussion Round II
  • 9:15 PM: Discussion Round III
  • 10 PM: After-Party at Rudy's

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  • Max Hunter
    Posted Nov 19, 2009 12:25 AM
    Max Hunter
    It was great to meet many of you. Will do it again, fo' sho'...
  • The Philosophy of Feminism happened on November 18, 2009 6:00 PM
  • Steve
    Posted Nov 18, 2009 1:04 PM
    Steve
    It could be an abject failure too, and cause nothing but hurt. We'll be in groups of, say, 10. That means we can be prepared to speak 10% of the time and to actively listen to others - learning; gathering information - 90% of the time.
  • Brian J
    Posted Nov 18, 2009 11:56 AM
    Brian J
    This is gonna be intense! :)
  • Leanne
    Posted Nov 18, 2009 12:52 AM
    Leanne
    Mark I don't think it has anything to do with all that at all, in fact it may be the opposite. You have missed the whole point of individuals entirely. I'm sure you and I have different "characteristics" that would have nothing to do with gender in any way. there should be a man-ism if there is a femin-ism / I bet male nurses - childcare workers and others in traditional female roles face prejudice and stereotyping as well..
  • Vince
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 3:24 PM
    Vince
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    Arm women of the world!
  • Mark
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 3:04 PM
    Mark
    spectrum that is causing confusion for some and contention for others. I still dont see how the idea has a concrete set of parameters.
  • Mark
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 3:02 PM
    Mark
    I dont see how we can talk about "feminism" without making references to "Manism". To me "feminism" only exists in-relation-to "manism". It is defined interms of "Maleness", assuming some characteristics and rejecting others. Each gender has a set of characteristics that seperate the two and before the species goes about changing itself, perhaps it should first know itself and its variations. There is a spectrum to sexuality and identity through such terms, and it is the overlap of the
  • Steve
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 8:58 AM
    Steve
    Leanne, we can try altering behavior of the masses, starting with deep reform of education and health authorities. Fact is: when each of us is born, in the next cot is a person - make it same gender - with unequal status and set of opportunities. From that point inequality remains or grows. I see a choice : engage in a Quixotic quest to equalize male/female status or improve our world practically and with more effect. Robin, you've expressed my own view, so eloquently.
  • Robin Gyrlwondyr
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 7:19 AM
    Robin Gyrlwondyr
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    Patriarchy, matriarchy, and identification with the oppressor are not the only choices. Nice debate here sorry I can't make the event.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 6:07 AM
    David-Joe
    Ahead of this Meet-Up - for me this subject is one of the most important discussions and thank you to John for holding it. It is a subject that I consider central to the development of a proper society. Women have been core influences in my life from childhood. Where males have failed in their responsibilities or decisions it has been a mother, grandmother, sisters, nannies and supporters in professional endeavors that have been there. How could I NOT be a feminist? I would be betraying myself.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 6:00 AM
    David-Joe
    Good article posted by you Leanne. It raises lots of issues that to me illuminates a society such as we live in. I'd like to state that if a woman chooses to play a traditional role - she can indeed be a feminist - and if she is and decides to have children, odds are that she will raise strong individuals.
  • Leanne
    Posted Nov 17, 2009 12:57 AM
    Leanne
    steve the topic is feminism .. unless the diffrences you mention are ment to point out one being superior, they have nothing to do with equality. I like this http://www.education.com/re... - and equal doesnt = exactly the same in everyway or that women are now men . What if a woman in the way david joe describes is truly happy to play the traditional role ..is she still a feminist then?
  • Steve
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 11:43 PM
    Steve
    Your spelling is specious
  • David-Joe
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 10:08 PM
    David-Joe
    Albert, it is those that have been taught to think for themselves and recogniize that they deserve to be happy that cannot be pushed. And it is that, which makes the individual free.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 9:31 PM
    David-Joe
    Steve - I disapprove of calling Mankind a "species". We are human beings. And teaching the same principlas to both girls and boys WOULD result in a better world.
  • David-Joe
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 9:26 PM
    David-Joe
    Leanne you hit the nail on the head!!
  • Steve
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 5:50 PM
    Steve
    Albert, you think my 'built differently' means ostensibly different. What I meant was more expansive : patterns in thought and behavior. And we're in a mess as a species by the fact that without restraint, we're fast destroying Earth and - give us a bit more time - ourselves. We may improve by individually being more introspective but the power to change things is found once born-unlike* people are able to cooperate. (*unlike economically, spiritually but important in this forum : sexually)
  • Albert
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 5:34 PM
    Albert
    Yes Leanne and Robin, power struggles aside, "people" are keeping humanity in an abyss regarding sex. There would be no abyss if people, took the time, not to be... "PUSHED" by the "Stigmas", brought on by traditional political/educational avenues. We may be living in the freest society, but who is truly free? So Mark...If we're not a slave to the law, we're a slave to an ideology.
  • Albert
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 5:01 PM
    Albert
    Absolutely! Built differently! O.K. Is this the source that makes a person make a gender change, the force that extends from dressing up, role playing - to physical mutilation/"surgery"? Yes Steve, our mess as a species attaches to so many stigmas. Let me guess where they came from... Your comment of celebrating gender .vs. "identical": no one is identical, but so many focus on their "ME" !!
  • Steve
    Posted Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM
    Steve
    Hmmm. Men and women are built differently. They have commonalities but how they function has differences not explained by upbringing. In studies, toddler girls show a greater tendency to communicate and share than do boys (by far). How would we go if we regarded those children as identical ? Better to celebrate gender differences and fully appreciate what each can bring to humanity. God, we're such a mess as a species we could do with much more cooperation and resourcefulness.
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Who attended?

  • 80 attendees
    • Harry Morrison (+1 guest)
      “ The questions and rotating format kept the discussions lively. ”
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      “ As usual, it was a very well-planned, thoughtfully crafted event. The mood is always carefully set at these discussions and the video aides selected are spot-on and very effective. The participants are always very intelligent, witty and well-engaged. I always learn and have a lot of fun while attending these events. Thanks guys! ”
    • “ I had a good time ”
    • “ Nice way to meet people and socialize. I like it when you have a topic to discuss rather then the usual "what do you do?" "where are you from?" ”
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      “ I liked it, although just like with queer and gay quests for justice it should not be a stand-alone struggle, without alliances with other oppressed components of society, it risk undermining it's own cause because of lack of solidarity. Justice is for all or no one at all. ”
    • “ Thought provoking questions, good group of people. ”
    • Brian J (+1 guest)
      “ It was great as usual. Very thought provoking and intense debates. Wish they could of been longer, and I can't wait for the next one. :) ”
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